tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32447359.post8578480163116359589..comments2023-09-09T06:05:53.221-07:00Comments on Right Under the Nose: Redeemer of the Marathi maanus?Ravindrahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06870408087886941417noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32447359.post-50825608585330505932008-05-19T22:10:00.000-07:002008-05-19T22:10:00.000-07:00Resistance can postpone the inevitable at most. Fu...Resistance can postpone the inevitable at most. Funny as it may sound, the result of such movement can indeed get interesting. The UP/Bihar group will displace other city denizens. The Bangladeshis will capture UP/Bihar and displace them. Then they will move to other places where these two are newly entrenched and essentially fight the same battle but on the other side of aisle. Ultimately the fastest producing and most backward group wins. Pretty much the same thing is happening across the world on different levels.socalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02327883033805273953noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32447359.post-72179491012495612702008-05-19T21:58:00.000-07:002008-05-19T21:58:00.000-07:00socal,I guess you are right,but it is only natural...socal,<BR/><BR/>I guess you are right,but it is only natural that the locals would put up a stiff resistance. Particularly if:<BR/><BR/>a) they have been told that this city "belongs" to them<BR/><BR/>b) other cities have better local identity retentionRavindrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06870408087886941417noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32447359.post-40510485442392410302008-05-19T11:13:00.000-07:002008-05-19T11:13:00.000-07:00Demographics is king today! The problem Mumbai fac...Demographics is king today! The problem Mumbai faces today is being faced on lesser scale by Bangalore too, as read on blogs here and there. Kannadigas complain of the noisy culture of North. Aside, perhaps Tamilians can match the UP Biharis in noise J/K. But, as any place grows economically, people are bound to migrate. Those with larger numbers, consequentially higher poverty will migrate more. Democracy has no solution for this problem. Eventually the weaker side will get eclipsed.socalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02327883033805273953noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32447359.post-68362590493764955262008-05-13T21:15:00.000-07:002008-05-13T21:15:00.000-07:00Prudent,As your rightly put it, the other states n...Prudent,<BR/><BR/>As your rightly put it, the other states need to pull up their socks in providing an employment and better quality of life to their people. We all know the conditions in UP and Bihar are abysmal in almost all respects. Only when something is done about it, will we be able to stem the outflow from these states.<BR/><BR/>As regards the other states, I guess it is because the economic activity is more in states like Maharashtra and Gujarat, hence the inflow is more here.<BR/><BR/>I agree that the fundamental right to work any where in India should be upheld, but then there must be a limit so that the basic infrastructure is not put to too much stress.Ravindrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06870408087886941417noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32447359.post-4460892058625375152008-05-13T21:10:00.000-07:002008-05-13T21:10:00.000-07:00Anon,I agree with you that the prosperity of Mumba...Anon,<BR/><BR/>I agree with you that the prosperity of Mumbai is mainly on account of migrants, whether it is the industrialists or the labourers. Left to the locals, Mumbai would never have reached the heights it has now. I also agree that the film industry is a great employment generator and this also attracts migrants.<BR/><BR/>However, it must be remembered that Mumbai is the capital of Maharashtra. Being the capital of Maharashtra, it is only natural that the local people desire to see their own culture being predominant here. That is the only point. This is true in capital cities of all other states except Maharashtra. <BR/><BR/>If somebody has the guts, let them say that we create a separate state called Mumbai and let another city, say, Pune, become the capital. Atleast here, the culture is predominantly Maharashtrian due to a lesser proportion of migrants being present. That would be a more rational way to approach the issue.<BR/><BR/>But that would create a havoc politically in Maharashtra and would only strengthen divisive forces. That’s why I said that we redraw states on administrative lines. In this process, Mumbai can be kept separate from any linguistic group. At the same time, it is not just the people of Maharashtra who are deprived of their original capital city, it could be a more holistic exercise.Ravindrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06870408087886941417noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32447359.post-88447737028546878712008-05-09T22:11:00.000-07:002008-05-09T22:11:00.000-07:00Ravindra, i agree with you on most points and beli...Ravindra, i agree with you on most points and believe Raj has gone nuts<BR/>http://theprudentindian.wordpress.com/2008/02/05/this-man-has-gone-nuts/<BR/><BR/>However, the states , especially UP and Bihar must do a serious introspection and answers self first, why do most of migrant laborers are from these two states only? Most of migrants from UP and Bihar are engaged in menial labor works. If an educated, or a business man, or a service man migrates to another city for growth that is perfectly understandable. And I maintain that it is the <BR/>fundamental right to work any where in India, however across India barring South you see UP and Bihari migrant labors doing menial work. WHY? Because these two states fail to provide them enough to sustain themselves with some basic needs with dignity. NO developmental work in these two states is the one answer. These two state leaders and those Cow belt Politicians, who are crying 'foul' over Raj's remark should put their heads together and create opportunities for these people to make a decent living with honor and dignity.<BR/><BR/>In north there is Haryana, Punjab, Himachal, MP, Rajasthan too, where do we find migrants from these states doing 'menial' work and that too in such a huge nos? <BR/><BR/>Of course, I insist that it is fundamental right of each and every Indian to work and stay any where he/she choose to, but at the same time every Indian 'equally' has a right to earn his living with dignity in the state of his birth. Since the state of their birth have failed to provide them this opportunity so the 'States' and their leader ship are equally to blame if not 'more' than Raj for the sorry plight of migrants.<BR/>Prudent IndianAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32447359.post-12178654719074023262008-05-09T07:18:00.000-07:002008-05-09T07:18:00.000-07:00Hi RavindraChennai, Banglore, and other states whe...Hi Ravindra<BR/><BR/>Chennai, Banglore, and other states where local language is given importance because it is not a hub and has not flourished yet(I can say not with the help of migrants)the way mumbai has. Mumbai has flourished due to contribution of migrants, locals and businesses. Film industry is one of it which brings many migrants to the state particularly Mumbai. Other state has no such status what Mumbai is enjoying. So it is very simple that with status also comes responsibilities and that is sharing. One cannot claim over state by keeping millions who have helped Mumbai to reach this stage.<BR/><BR/>Raj is acting like an uneducated, illiterate man full of anger and hatred. Many Marathis and others are residing outside country. And their work has been recognoised. So why Mumbai fails to recgonise the hardship and contribution of outsiders.<BR/><BR/>Second thing, there was uproar for Gujaratis, Tamilians in the past and today it is turn of Upities and God knows who will be tomorrow.<BR/><BR/>As a welbehaved man he should first recognise the contribution of outsiders and than take a step to prevail law and order. Is this the way to drive out people by force, threatening, and killing.<BR/>What gives Raj authority to do so? Locals are enjoying the free rides given by this politicians so they praise Raj and the party. <BR/>Why "aamchi marathi" is important over "Aamchi desbandhu". Every state faces some sort of problems but you cannot claim everything in the state for locals.<BR/>And Raj is born in India he knows the problems of our country very well. He is not just woke up one day and finds out.<BR/><BR/>For an experiment forget other big multinational business just take film indusrty to some other state. And watch the result. Half of your Mumbai will be empty. So it is not the migrants who are causing problems but flourising business is the headache for Raj.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32447359.post-37259325396996668682008-05-09T00:48:00.000-07:002008-05-09T00:48:00.000-07:00Shantanu,Thanks for the comment. You are free to u...Shantanu,<BR/><BR/>Thanks for the comment. You are free to use the excerpts.Ravindrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06870408087886941417noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32447359.post-44875800985687786882008-05-08T05:59:00.000-07:002008-05-08T05:59:00.000-07:00Ravindra: Good post and some good counterpoints......Ravindra: Good post and some good counterpoints.....<BR/><BR/>Would you mind sharing them with my other readers here: http://satyameva-jayate.org/2008/05/01/jobs-in-mumbai/<BR/><BR/>I dont mind taking excerpts from your post either - if you are OK with it.<BR/><BR/>Thanks.<BR/><BR/>P.S. Thanks also for including me on your blogroll.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com